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  • #807979

    singlesprocket
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    i’ve been thinking about another fat bike after spending a season on a salsa bear grease. the pivot is on top of the list since it can also convert to other tire sizes.

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    #807984

    FastTimes
    Keymaster

    You’re welcome to try it out if we ever get out for a ride @singlesprocket

    I really do think this is THE bike. At first, I didn’t think I would be swapping any wheels, or riding it in the dirt much at all, but that has changed. I think it would be an awesome all rounder. With some 27.5 50mm rims and 3.0 tires, it would be a riot. Also curious to try some 29+ setups. But honestly it rides amazing as is in the dirt so lots to keep my busy just like it is.

    I got XX1 because I wanted top performance on the trail but its not needed at all, specially for winter only. I would however recommend the wheel upgrade. Pivot was very flexible with my build and i imainge @cyclesolutions would do the same for you.

    How come you sold your Beargrease?

    #808970

    FastTimes
    Keymaster

    I have ordered a set of 29+ wheels to try on the Les Fat. This bike has truly blown my mind and I have roughly 50 rides on it already. It’s really been a game changer and is quickly becoming my favourite ride. While the snow rides are amazing, what really impressed me was how fun it was in the dirt. It’s the best all season option I have ever tried. i am looking forward to the spring on this thing. While I though the adaptability would be a novelty I am definitely exploring some of the options this frame affords me.

    I’ve been looking at gravel grinders and bikepacking bikes and think that this Les Fat with 3″ tires will be a pretty versatile option for everything from trail rides to long fire road and rail trail hauls. This bike is all about exploring for me. Like to ride from TDot – Cwood with as much dirt and gravel as possible.

    There are little, none really, pre-built 29+ fat bike wheels and even cobbling one together is tricky but I have sourced a set of DT fat bike hubs and will get them built up on 35mm (31mm internal) rims. I have read all kinds of anecdotal accounts about the ideal width for plus size tires and while I think 45mm would be the sweet spot, these will give me the best fit for 2.5-3.0″ tires. 2.8″ being the sweet spot and closer to actual widths of current tire offering. I know I will not be able to run them as low as possible but as long at there is no flop, I am ok with that. If I want to run a bigger tire, I am more than happy with the 80mm rim and 4″ Jumbo Jim’s I have been running. I can also run a narrower tire on that 80mm if I want. So yeah, lots of options.

    I haven’t found a need for a suspension fork yet but will see how it feels with the 29+ wheels. This setup should keep things close to the current geo I have been running with the deep, lower headset cup option it ships with. i can also play with the Swinger dropout which is dead simple to dial in geo.

    #808973

    micah356
    Participant

    IMO your Jake would be better for the Toronto – Collingwood ride. I’ve ridden to my cottage and back lots of times – there is lots of rail trail up there, some dirt roads, but nothing rough enough to need a bigger tire. Buy hey – if you know of some more dirt-y routes up that way, let me know!

    #808978

    BlurredLines
    Participant

    I’m super interested to hear about the results of swapping up to the 29+ wheels/tires (have you chosen a tire?) I picked out the Trek Farley in part due to it’s fairly similar geometry as well as the versatility of wheel size combinations and I’m really curious now about riding a 27.5+ or 29+.

    Personally I’m leaning pretty hard toward a set of 29’er SunRingle MuleFüt 50’s and a pair of Chupacabra’s just to rumble around on the dirt on over the summer… maybe I’ll even get really ballsy and run them single speed?

    #808980

    FastTimes
    Keymaster

    IMO your Jake would be better for the Toronto – Collingwood ride. I’ve ridden to my cottage and back lots of times – there is lots of rail trail up there, some dirt roads, but nothing rough enough to need a bigger tire. Buy hey – if you know of some more dirt-y routes up that way, let me know!

    I think you’re probably right @micah356 I have never tried it so my planned routes are maybe overly optimistic. I know I can get from my place to Clairville Conservation Area all off road/gravel then Bolton, Palgrave, Mono etc. has good dirt and gravel connections so from there I am close to Duntroon which can be connected by farm roads and trail to 3 Stage and Blue. It will be an adventure to say the least. Not the fastest route but that’s ok with me. This spring I will work on the sections that link the ones I know work and I want to ride. Exploration is the fun part for me. If there is too much road I can turn my JTS into a monstercross rig with some 42c tires and try that.

    #808981

    FastTimes
    Keymaster

    I’m super interested to hear about the results of swapping up to the 29+ wheels/tires (have you chosen a tire?) I picked out the Trek Farley in part due to it’s fairly similar geometry as well as the versatility of wheel size combinations and I’m really curious now about riding a 27.5+ or 29+.

    Personally I’m leaning pretty hard toward a set of 29’er SunRingle MuleFüt 50’s and a pair of Chupacabra’s just to rumble around on the dirt on over the summer… maybe I’ll even get really ballsy and run them single speed?

    I am going to try the Bontrager Chupacabra 29×3.0. It has the best shape, thread pattern, knob height and volume for my needs. Pretty stoked to crank out some KMs on this setup. I don’t think I’ll get any B+ wheels as I am more than happy with the DT Wheels with 4″ tire. It’s pretty light and bomb proof. Love to get a set of carbon rims but none seem to be tough enough for summer rocky rides which is what I like the bigger tires for. Sure we’ll see more options come available later this year. The 29+ option just has the rollability I am after for this bike and how I plan to use it.

    I’ve never tried a SS setup. Think I like gears to much and don’t really see an advantage. Be solid for sure though.

    #808985

    secret agent
    Participant

    I thought you could convert any fat bike to a 29er. I was told I could do this with my Beargrease. One of the guys I ride with in the winter is primarily a roadie, and rides his Pug in the winter to help with training. He had a set of 29er wheels built this summer, but ended up riding it more with the fat wheels. I am not sure I would want to go to the trouble of building a whole new wheel set to go from 4″ to 3″ tires. However, if you have some specific terrain in mind, a fully rigid rig with this set up could be really fast and fun and more agile. I run the 4″ Dillingers in the summer and light snow and have the Flowbeist and Dunderbeist at 4.6 for heavier snow which has not materialized yet. They are also pretty good on ice without studs. I have found my fat bike to be way fun and have been telling people for 2 years and everyone is skeptical until they ride one. I used mine way more in the dirt than I thought I would.

    #808986

    micah356
    Participant

    I know I can get from my place to Claireville Conservation Area all off road/gravel then Bolton, Palgrave, Mono etc. has good dirt and gravel connections so from there I am close to Duntroon which can be connected by farm roads and trail to 3 Stage and Blue. It will be an adventure to say the least. Not the fastest route but that’s ok with me. This spring I will work on the sections that link the ones I know work and I want to ride. Exploration is the fun part for me. If there is too much road I can turn my JTS into a monstercross rig with some 42c tires and try that.

    Sounds good to me – that will be a long ride! The ride up to Claireville is nice, it’s pretty much the logical end point after you connect all the Humber trail sections. And some of the trails in Claireville, that look like roads on Google Maps, are actually pretty remote trails through the middle of nowhere.

    If you ever want a cool experience – ride to Collingwood overnight. I’ve done it a few times, leaving the city at 2am. You can ride the whole way up 50 with no traffic.


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    #808989

    FastTimes
    Keymaster

    ^^
    Most fat bikes can be converted to 29″, likely 27+ and 29+ as well. How they ride with that setup is another story. Just because you can put 27.5×4.0 wheels on your bike doesn’t mean it will ride like a Farley, which is designed around that setup does. It really depends on the bike. The Pivot offers a few more options than the norm, with different headset cups and the Swinger dropouts, which allow you to tweak geometry. In a nutshell, if your bike is designed around 4″ tires a 27+ setup is best, if your bike is designed around a 5″ tire a 29+ is best. That’s not written in a stone but a pretty good starting point. If you can alter the geo to suit both, then the choice is yours depending on your specific needs. I wanted to try bikes like the RM Sherpa or the Trek Stash but not going to go buy one of all these new plus size bikes to try them. This is a pretty nice compromise for me that makes great use of a bike I already own and gives me a taste of what others might offer.

    A 29 x 3.0 wheel will ride very differently than a 26×4.0 or 27.5×4.0 wheel so its more than just going from 4″ to 3″.

    #808990

    FastTimes
    Keymaster

    Thanks @micah356 I’ll have to pick your brain more when I do this. I fear the road so a night ride might not be in the cards for me.

    That clip is sweet. Is it from under the 427 at Claireville?

    #808991

    secret agent
    Participant

    Ahh, I see. That makes sense. You can really dial that in perfectly for the different wheel sizes. It is a nice option to have. I never even considered this remotely when I bought my bike. I just thought it was going to be strictly a winter ride.
    A friend up in Gravenhurst just picked up a Sherpa. Hoping to get a ride on it this summer. Looks really sharp.

    #808992

    FastTimes
    Keymaster

    The Beargrease is a killer bike @secret-agent I’m sure it can handle just about everything out there with little negative effect, just small variances from optimal if at all. It was top of my list until this deal came up on the Pivot. The added versatility is only fine tuning and of value if you plan to run different wheel setups. I don’t think there is much advantage other than at the extremes, if you want to be able to run 26×3.6 though 29+ and be able to adjust for each. That doesn’t sound like it interest you so it’s a non issue.

    #808995

    secret agent
    Participant

    The thing that I though might be cool after I got the bike, would be to run 29″ wheels with thinner tires as a fast fully rigid carbon set up. I was thinking of going the other way with it. The issue is that it is not really geared for it. I would be looking at new wheels and maybe changing the chain ring, to something the derailleur can handle.
    I am talking about riding it kind of like a beefed up cross bike. All these new wheel sizes and configurations were not even in play when I got the bike.

    #808996

    fietser
    Participant

    Hey guys @carpetbomber might chime in here with regards to the whole midfat, plus size discussion.

    Not sure if y’all saw this thread:

    https://www.ridingfeelsgood.com/topic/mid-fat-bike-build/

    He put a set of Bontrager Chupacabra 29×3.0 on his rigid HT. Haven’t heard too much more from him with regard to how it works(ed) in the snow since we really haven’t had any!

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