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  • #821373

    Fred Barclay
    Participant

    Rode last night and saw the optional “go again” on foreplay. Great idea for a fun section. 6 play had some trimming in the floating on a vine section which was nice. Bad news is there is a HUGE tree down near the end of the trail. Would take a real pro job to get it cleared properly and there aren’t any natural ride around options. Also there is a tree half down on the wobbly bridges over the soft section further on that has a branch at eye level so heads up! Hoping to keep this section alive but don’t have the saw skills to tackle this one.

    #821374

    Shortcuttomoncton
    Participant

    Yes, unfortunately there’s a lot less traffic starting from 5Play—I think the simple answer is that while the idea of expansion beyond 4Play was great, a number of the line choices for 5Play and 6Play just aren’t very enjoyable to ride. (Particularly coming after 4Play, which has several of the best stretches in the Don Valley.)

    #821388

    Rob DeBoer
    Participant

    Hydro works on the Ridge are not currently passable… heavy machinery at work.

    #821436

    Rob DeBoer
    Participant

    Hydro works on Ridge are finally cleared, and trail has been restored!

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    #821467

    BlurredLines
    Participant

    Final community build of the City of Toronto Stewardship season got after it over the weekend. Controversial though it may be the “leaning tree” on the ridge finally has a reinforced bench on the outside to get around on. The old line has a few new plants and a whole lotta debris otherwise to close it up.

    Additionally plenty of hands made light work and a round of raking was completed from the Hydro station out to the Cricket Tree

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    #821475

    Rob DeBoer
    Participant

    I like the new line! Could never ride the old one… too tall.

    #821484

    georgejessel
    Participant

    Final community build of the City of Toronto Stewardship season got after it over the weekend. Controversial though it may be the “leaning tree” on the ridge finally has a reinforced bench on the outside to get around on. The old line has a few new plants and a whole lotta debris otherwise to close it up.
    Additionally plenty of hands made light work and a round of raking was completed from the Hydro station out to the Cricket Tree

    Out of curiosity, why was this considered necessary? I always felt like that was one of the better technical challenges on the Ridge heading northwards.

    You did a great job closing the old. I didn’t even notice it and was all confused.

    #821485

    kwarwick
    Participant

    I definitely appreciate having the new line around the outside as I found the old line close to impossible in the north bound direction… it was certainly doable going south. I’m all for providing alternate routes around challenging features, but wonder why did the old line need to be closed?

    #821486

    georgejessel
    Participant

    I definitely appreciate having the new line around the outside as I found the old line close to impossible in the north bound direction… it was certainly doable going south. I’m all for providing alternate routes around challenging features, but wonder why did the old line need to be closed?

    It was actually pretty manageable to ride with enough speed (and I’m not on anything fancy), but for me it was definitely the technical crux of the ridge northbound. I’m sure there were reasons, but it’s a little sad to see the ridge neutered.

    #821487

    BlurredLines
    Participant

    Out of curiosity, why was this considered necessary?

    While I’m also sad to see any challenge go the reasoning is three fold…

    *** Context being that of sanctioned trails in the City of Toronto ***

    First and foremost any sort of a feature on a multi use, multi directional trail that leaves users in both direction blind to what they’re approaching is foolish. “Pretty managable to ride with enough speed” is absolutely accurate and largely the reason for the re-route. High speed and technical require concentration and as you trickle down from an expert/advanced position towards novice/intermediate (the expected difficulty of The Ridge) you quickly realize that this feature requires a lot more focus on the part of those still learning to tackle such a task. Adding to that a blind approach and you’re inviting user conflict and accidents to the trail.

    Second to this. Monitoring that particular segment had shown a general user desire for the route outside the tree rather than under it. Given that the erosion caused by using the up slope side of the tree for a trail tread and the negative effects that “ringing” a tree has, one line needed to be closed to preserve both the soil and the tree. Taking the above paragraph into context the outside line satisfied increasing user control on approach in both direction and while it doens’t remove the “blind” element it improves is slightly while allowing for a stable trail tread and greater focus on what’s ahead rather than what is underneath a trail user.

    Lastly. It’s not about sanitizing the ridge, holding hands, and all singing kum-ba-yah. There’s a large and definitive step up in technical capability required to transition from cleanly and competently riding a bicycle in Crother’s Woods to heading out on The Ridge. Providing a network that allows cyclists the opportunity to progress the necessary skills to tackle further challenges safely in a multi use environment is a step in the correct direction to allow for further features . The reality being that the sanctioned network of trails needs to start from the bottom and work it’s way up. There are plenty of challenges in the greater unsanctioned network and should any of those trails ever become sanctioned I’d like to have the ground work laid to create a compelling argument that the features on them remain.

    Hopefully that helps to clarify or at least provide some reasoning.

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    #821489

    ldpldp
    Participant

    I’ve been mountain biking for 20 years, and riding the Don for 10. While I feel lucky to be able to ride single track in downtown Toronto no matter what, I’m thankful for the work being done. The leaning tree section is a great example of sketchy/eroded as opposed to technical/challenging/well designed/maintained. Another example is many of the climbs in Catalyst. Think of how great it would be if it was redesigned to be fast and awesome like Sunnybrook etc! Again, thank you so much to the people doing the work!

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    #821499

    georgejessel
    Participant

    Out of curiosity, why was this considered necessary?

    While I’m also sad to see any challenge go the reasoning is three fold…
    *** Context being that of sanctioned trails in the City of Toronto ***
    First and foremost any sort of a feature on a multi use, multi directional trail that leaves users in both direction blind to what they’re approaching is foolish. “Pretty managable to ride with enough speed” is absolutely accurate and largely the reason for the re-route. High speed and technical require concentration and as you trickle down from an expert/advanced position towards novice/intermediate (the expected difficulty of The Ridge) you quickly realize that this feature requires a lot more focus on the part of those still learning to tackle such a task. Adding to that a blind approach and you’re inviting user conflict and accidents to the trail.
    Second to this. Monitoring that particular segment had shown a general user desire for the route outside the tree rather than under it. Given that the erosion caused by using the up slope side of the tree for a trail tread and the negative effects that “ringing” a tree has, one line needed to be closed to preserve both the soil and the tree. Taking the above paragraph into context the outside line satisfied increasing user control on approach in both direction and while it doens’t remove the “blind” element it improves is slightly while allowing for a stable trail tread and greater focus on what’s ahead rather than what is underneath a trail user.
    Lastly. It’s not about sanitizing the ridge, holding hands, and all singing kum-ba-yah. There’s a large and definitive step up in technical capability required to transition from cleanly and competently riding a bicycle in Crother’s Woods to heading out on The Ridge. Providing a network that allows cyclists the opportunity to progress the necessary skills to tackle further challenges safely in a multi use environment is a step in the correct direction to allow for further features . The reality being that the sanctioned network of trails needs to start from the bottom and work it’s way up. There are plenty of challenges in the greater unsanctioned network and should any of those trails ever become sanctioned I’d like to have the ground work laid to create a compelling argument that the features on them remain.
    Hopefully that helps to clarify or at least provide some reasoning.

    Thanks for the thoughtful and comprehensive answer. You’ve shown me that it was the right thing to do.

    #821503

    BlurredLines
    Participant

    Glad to be able to provide some context. It’s not always apparent why things are done or undone, but a little transparency seems to go a long way in most cases.

    Looking forward to snow on the ground shortly. Just the friendly reminder that the ruts of today are the frozen stupidity of tomorrow. Early in the mornings before things thaw is your window of opportunity if we’ve seen sub-zero temps over night.

    #821505

    mr.cantlogin
    Participant

    The Ridge was never a trail build by the city…they are just takin over. That area was already poorly rebuild by city some time ago. Sure there was a bad spot on the both direction traffic…great fun for skilled rider
    Just want to direct this to new users, new riders:
    If you cant ride something that means you need to get better at it, very motivating and that is the spirit if this sport, if you need to remove the challenge so you can ride through you shouldn’t be there. Go shread the paved trail, that one is build for you. Come back when you are ready to face what many enjoy.

    #821506

    repack
    Participant

    Hmm, speaking of shredding paved trail, I recently took a look at the alignment of the wigmore side trail for the east Don phase II build, and as far as pavement goes that one is looking promising. In order to meet AODA requirements for that line, it was graded into an ess curve with two sweeping bends at a steady 4% or something like that. the bottom turn figures to be especially challenging on the sight lines under the summer canopy. Unless they cut the margins way back. Regardless, if anyone schusses that thing on two wheels they’re going to be pleased with the result I’m guessing, and any off-leash dogs to bunnyhop will just be icing on the cake.

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