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  • #573375

    Brother Josh
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    @reaction wrote:

    I was looking for the thread on pb but I can’t find it. I want to read Josh’s internet shit kicking 🙂

    8)

    #573194

    SkidVicious
    Participant

    the ground under the initial thawed layer is still frozen. there was an announcement on this. (quote from Canadain Cyclist via MTBR)

    you think that a grassroots mountain bike group that wants to be the defacto trail stewards of the Don would be on top of things like this? bwahahaha: just kidding, of course they wouldn’t be. 😀

    March 7/09 11:55 am – Trail Erosion Alert for Southern Ontario

    Posted by Editor on 03/7/09

    After a long cold winter in Southern Ontario many mountain bikers are just itching to ride. Between abundant snow and very cold temperatures, off road enthusiasts have been largely kept off their bikes for weeks. The arrival of record warm weather today [Friday, March 6th] means that many want to head out on to the trails right away.

    There is a problem. The frost line went very deep this winter, thanks to the cold temperatures. Even though the surface has thawed, the ground is still frozen just below the surface. To make matters worse, the frozen ground prevents the snowmelt from sinking in any further. This means the thawed layer at the surface is absolutely saturated with water, so it is very intolerant of any disturbance. Go riding along a trail and you’ll cut through the thawed layer right down to the frozen ground. The thawed layer will end up with trenches from the tire tracks, which will persist even when the soil dries out.

    Southern Ontario has had winters like this before. When it happened in the 1990’s, and in 2003, the erosion was terrible and some land managers nearly had mountain biking banished. It took the efforts of a lot of people to persuade them that we shouldn’t be kicked out permanently. It could be a tough lesson if we abuse the trails now.

    If you can be patient, please stay off of the trails until the ground thaws. If you just have to ride, then stick to where there is still snow, because that is an indication that the ground is still frozen. As soon as the soil becomes visible is when the problems start. Bare, wet ground needs to be avoided at all costs.

    The first areas that will be available for riding are those with abundant rock or sandy soil, or those with a gravel surface. Talk to your local land manager and ask when they think the trails will be ready. Or even just go out for a road ride. Remember that a day with a half-assed ride is still better than a day without riding!

    Our trails are a precious resource. A little bit of forethought now will mean that they will be in good shape in a few weeks time. This announcement is courtesy of MAMBO Kings MTB Club. For more information please visit http://www.mambokings.org

    #573193

    boner
    Participant

    The MAMBO Kings (Middle Aged Mountain Bikers of Ontario) have always been fantastic trail stewards. They just do it without all the drama and with “zero” outside funding.

    Boner

    #573119

    SkidVicious
    Participant

    Update: not ridable. I saw plenty of ruts. The ground is in some parts dust-dry, in others perfectly tacky, in others filthy mud holes. water is pooling up some low spots, because the ground underneath is still frozen. It’s drying up fast, as the fresh-looking ruts were difficult to stomp down.

    fyi: there’s a fence on both sides of the doubletrack into sun valley cutting off the trail. the city moved materials and heavy equiptment in already for the sewer repairs.

    #573059

    Dirty C4
    Participant

    @skidvicious wrote:

    Update: not ridable. I saw plenty of ruts. The ground is in some parts dust-dry, in others perfectly tacky, in others filthy mud holes. water is pooling up some low spots, because the ground underneath is still frozen. It’s drying up fast, as the fresh-looking ruts were difficult to stomp down.

    fyi: there’s a fence on both sides of the doubletrack into sun valley cutting off the trail. the city moved materials and heavy equiptment in already for the sewer repairs.

    Which part are we talking about, top or bottom by the Bailey bridge?

    #573057

    Dirty C4
    Participant

    @boner wrote:

    The MAMBO Kings (Middle Aged Mountain Bikers of Ontario) have always been fantastic trail stewards. They just do it without all the drama and with “zero” outside funding.

    Boner

    How can you have funding when your wives take it all?

    #573023

    SkidVicious
    Participant

    top. I’m guessing everything closer to the river is slop.

    #572764

    EugeneJZ
    Participant

    Since it was sunny and relatively dry the past week, I thought I’d ride some trails at the Don Valley. 🙂

    Bad Idea! 😳

    When I started out at the Loblaws Trail Head yesterday, it was slippery, but once I reached even the slighest incline, it became impossible – too much mud. What’s worse, after riding through a bit of mud, the wheels and chain began jamming up, to the point that I had to get off every 25m and degunk them.

    The Intermediate Trail is useless at the moment, as is the Advanced. If anyone is familiar with the newly built Advanced Trail, you’d know that it was solid. Unfortunately, some of the sections have become victims of erosion…

    Most of the log-rides and skinnies were doable.

    Didn’t check out the jump park, but I’m guessing the conditions are similar.

    #572763

    intense
    Participant

    yeah its definitely going to be a bit until we can get in there and not end up trashing the place. I’d say 2 weeks of good weather maybe?

    The flats are ok byt he looks of it, but really its better for everybody for the riders to stay out, even from a public-appearance standpoint. Just let the place dry out, and everybody will be better off.

    Until then, theres always road and urban assault!

    😀

    #572756

    the_yellow_dart
    Participant

    The section from Pottery to Loblaws is fine. Didn’t get any further than that because a friend had a mechanical.

    #572754

    Trailhead
    Participant

    @eugenejz wrote:

    Since it was sunny and relatively dry the past week, I thought I’d ride some trails at the Don Valley. 🙂

    Bad Idea! 😳

    When I started out at the Loblaws Trail Head yesterday, it was slippery, but once I reached even the slighest incline, it became impossible – too much mud. What’s worse, after riding through a bit of mud, the wheels and chain began jamming up, to the point that I had to get off every 25m and degunk them.

    The Intermediate Trail is useless at the moment, as is the Advanced. If anyone is familiar with the newly built Advanced Trail, you’d know that it was solid. Unfortunately, some of the sections have become victims of erosion…

    Most of the log-rides and skinnies were doable.

    Didn’t check out the jump park, but I’m guessing the conditions are similar.

    Hey Eugene,
    Welcome to Dropmachine. As a general rule we do not ride the Don when it’s muddy. The ruts you’ve made in there will last for months.

    Cheers
    TC

    #572745

    solotrek
    Participant

    Hi all,

    Was just in this afternoon. Had a look at Flats, Ridge, PA, and Loblaws new stuff.
    Muddy & puddly at worst; dry and hard at best.
    It will still be weeks before everything is generally rideable.

    Hikers, walkers, and dogs have made an absolute wreck out of much of the new trails.
    It is sooo disappointing to see such damage that could have been prevented.
    There are also lots of tracks and ruts from non-DM riders that just don’t have the good sense to stay off the trails.

    I have said this for a long time, but have been ignored, derailed, or brushed off…
    It is the trail users WE DON’T KNOW that need to be reached, and asked to make better choices. That simple.

    City Of Toronto Parks, Forestry & Recreation Parkland Naturalization (IE Scott Laver) is aware of the problem, and wants to address it, but is literally swamped.
    COT PFR PN wants to make signs, laminate, and post them, but just dosnt’ have time.
    If anyone else wants to get involved and build something contributively, collaboratively, I am wide open to working with others.
    Somebody’s gotta do something. Doing nothing is not a solution.

    cheers,
    brian

    #572744

    want to ride
    Participant

    @solotrek wrote:

    Hi all,

    Was just in this afternoon. Had a look at Flats, Ridge, PA, and Loblaws new stuff.
    Muddy & puddly at worst; dry and hard at best.
    It will still be weeks before everything is generally rideable.

    Hikers, walkers, and dogs have made an absolute wreck out of much of the new trails.
    It is sooo disappointing to see such damage that could have been prevented.
    There are also lots of tracks and ruts from non-DM riders that just don’t have the good sense to stay off the trails.

    I have said this for a long time, but have been ignored, derailed, or brushed off…
    It is the trail users WE DON’T KNOW that need to be reached, and asked to make better choices. That simple.

    City Of Toronto Parks, Forestry & Recreation Parkland Naturalization (IE Scott Laver) is aware of the problem, and wants to address it, but is literally swamped.
    COT PFR PN wants to make signs, laminate, and post them, but just dosnt’ have time.
    If anyone else wants to get involved and build something contributively, collaboratively, I am wide open to working with others.
    Somebody’s gotta do something. Doing nothing is not a solution.

    cheers,
    brian

    Yes,good thinking!
    If somebody could come up with the signs I would put my time and work in to it gladly!
    We really have to do something…
    I didn’t even went to the Don yet,you just have to look around,where is no concrete…
    That should be enough.
    Where could we reach out to the new riders???
    Maybe the stores,or the private guys who’s sells their old bikes should give them better guidelines?

    #572743

    Stikky
    Participant

    best thing to do is integrate w/new riders and groupride long enuff to familiarize them with everyones general attitude

    #572742

    solotrek
    Participant

    @want to ride wrote:

    @solotrek wrote:

    Hi all,

    City Of Toronto Parks, Forestry & Recreation Parkland Naturalization (IE Scott Laver) is aware of the problem, and wants to address it, but is literally swamped.
    COT PFR PN wants to make signs, laminate, and post them, but just dosnt’ have time.
    If anyone else wants to get involved and build something contributively, collaboratively, I am wide open to working with others.
    Somebody’s gotta do something. Doing nothing is not a solution.

    cheers,
    brian

    Yes,good thinking!
    If somebody could come up with the signs I would put my time and work in to it gladly!
    We really have to do something…
    I didn’t even went to the Don yet,you just have to look around,where is no concrete…
    That should be enough.
    Where could we reach out to the new riders???
    Maybe the stores,or the private guys who’s sells their old bikes should give them better guidelines?

    Check the “Ignorant Trail Users” thread. Prototype signage content posted there.
    Wow, this feels like deja-vu…. 🙂

    brian

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