....both 10 speed. X.0 is ugly, XTR is fine.


And for SRAM...


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What do y'all think?

I think SRAM having two high-end 10 speed gruppos with what looks like the same proprietary BCD is retarded. And I know Jeff loooooooooooooooooooves 9 speed so much he'll be the first aboard this new 10 speed stuff.

I think triple chain rings are one of the stupidest things ever!
This might be a step in the right direction although, I'm certain the bike industry will find a way to screw it up.

TC

This is awesome as I just grilled my Shimano rep today about '11 XTR and he was all "no, definitely haven't seen/heard anything official yet. But it will probably be 10spd. And have double and triple crank options".

Shouldn't the group include drop bars too?

I disagree. I really like the look of the X.0 rear derailleur and cranks. They look like industrial art; purpose built machines designed by someone half engineer, half graphic designer.

I've loved the shadow style derailleurs since I first saw them. I'm already on #2 I wonder if they have resolved the problem I've been having with cables snapping at the clamp on my XT's though....

Pfft, who needs 10 speed? The only derailleur I've been impressed with lately is the Saint SS. If I had the dought I would go rolhoff.

2 x 10 actually does make sense, with an 11-36cassette and 28-40 front rings you'll have as good or better ratio's than standard 22/32/42
you won't have to drop down to that almost useless granny ring

i can't wait to only have 2 rings up front

Your range will actually decrease slightly from a 22 Granny and 34 tooth cassette, but not by much.
Its clearly targeted at stronger riders, which is fair.

What I think is cool is that by eliminating the granny, you now alleviate a number of problems for suspension bikes that suffer under the added torque of the smaller ring. No more insane feedback, like on the Santa Cruz Nomad MK1. That said, I know a few companies are having problems getting the larger diameter "middle" ring to clear the chainstays of some bikes. I think it will get solved soon enough though. Should result in ideal chainlines too.

The question is of course, will it hold up in mud and crap? There was a definite difference from 8 to 9 speed, so this should be interesting to see.

agreed (only time will tell) apparently the chain diameters and cassette don't really change at all and with a better chainline the drivetrain may actually see less stress

When I heard 10 speed cogsetI thought come on! But then when I realized it was not going to be 30 speed but 20 (doah), it made all the sense in the world to me.
I love the new 10 speed cogset from sram pretty innovative and a beaut.

Agreed. They look awesome!

I just can't believe it took 12 years for Ritchey's 2x9 idea to come back into vogue.

I hope they make a cog/derailleur that has closer ratio so you can use a shorter cage. That one would be a bit to long for DH I thinks.

Whatever. The only people who will really benefit from this are the racer heads. Well with the exception of that gearing luddite Veteran Youth, butchered cassettes shifting by Boner age suntour derrailleurs.

Though the chainrings would be a better place to change. Who the fuck decided 22-32-42 was the standard? From what I have tried there is way more to gained by changing your chainring sizes then fancy cassettes.

Most of it is machined from a single piece of steel. Awesome.